Hittade nyss detta, jag vet inte om jag kommer att gå på det själv, eftersom jag antagligen inte kommer att vara i Stockholm då, men det finns säkert folk som kan tycka detta vara intressant.
Science and Spirituality - Two Aspects of a Single Reality
Vetenskap och andlighet: två aspekter av en enda verklighet
Föredrag torsdagen den 29 september kl 19.30 på Fältöversten,
Valhallavägen 148, av professor P. Krishna från Indien.
Kan strikt vetenskaplighet vara förenlig med andlighet?
Vad skulle det kunna betyda för våra liv?
Och vår gemensamma framtid?
Prof. P. Krishna är för närvarande gästprofessor vid institutionen för fysik vid Devi Ahilya-universitet i Indien. Innan han 1986 blev rektor i en större internatskola för sex år var han professor vid Banaras Hindu University i det fasta tillståndets fysik med forskning och undervisning i röntgenkristallografi.
Han är verksam som ledamot i Krishnamurti Foundation of India och denna sammankomst med honom arrangeras av Krishnamurti Center i Stockholm.
”The scientific quest is to discover the order in the external world of space, time, energy and matter. The spiritual quest is to discover order in our consciousness. Since the whole of reality is built up of both matter and consciousness why should the quest for the understanding of order in the external world be antagonistic to the quest for the understanding of order in consciousness?”
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http://www.abc.se/~m437/Affisch%20KC-1a.pdf
http://krishnamurti.listen.to/
Föredrag torsdagen den 29 september: Science & Spiritual
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Re: Föredrag torsdagen den 29 september: Science & Spiri
PopJimmy skrev:professor vid Banaras Hindu University i det fasta tillståndets fysik med forskning och undervisning i röntgenkristallografi.
Låter intressant men tyvärr lite långväga för mig.
Emellertid undrar jag vad Banaras Hindu University är för något och vad ämnena "det fasta tillståndets fysik" och "röntgenkristallografi" är för något? Jag avser inte att provocera, utan har bara aldrig hört talas om dessa tidigare.
Man berättade att han en gång spärrats in på Bedlams dårhus. Man hade gjort honom hedern att ta honom för vansinnig, men man släppte honom igen när man upptäckte att han bara var poet.
Re: Föredrag torsdagen den 29 september: Science & Spiri
Jag kollade upp det: Banaras Hindu University is among the top 3 largest residential universities in the world having more than 128 independent teaching departments. The icon of Banaras Hindu University is associated more with National struggle for independence and gaining self-reliance in terms of Education. It is known as the Oxford of the East.Emellertid undrar jag vad Banaras Hindu University är för något
The Core Streams of studies are Languages and Literature, Humanities, Social Sciences, Natural Sciences, Mathematical Sciences, Biological Sciences, Medical Sciences, Agriculture, Visual Arts, Applied and Performing Arts, Management, Legal Studies, and Engineering.
Från: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banaras_Hindu_University
Jag vet inte heller faktiskt, ingen aning. "Röntgenkristallografi" fick mig direkt att tänka på new age och kristaller och sånt, men jag tror verkligen inte alls att det är frågan om något sånt. (Hur många Indier håller förresten på med new age? haha.)vad ämnena "det fasta tillståndets fysik" och "röntgenkristallografi" är för något? Jag avser inte att provocera, utan har bara aldrig hört talas om dessa tidigare.
Nej, Krishnamutri höll sig till killar som David Bohm. De var nära vänner (och släppe böcker ihop). Bohm var en väldigt känd fysiker som sysllade med kvantfysik och relativitetsteori, och som var både student och vän till Einstein. Nu vet jag inte om den här indiern håller samma kaliber som David Bohm iofs.
Info om Bohm:
He would later, however, work on the theoretical calculations for the Calutrons at the Y-12 facility in Oak Ridge, used to electromagnetically enrich uranium for use in the bomb dropped on Hiroshima in 1945
Bridging science, philosophy, and cognition
Bohm's scientific and philosophical views were inseparable. In 1959, he read a book by the Indian philosopher J. Krishnamurti. He was impressed by the way his own ideas on quantum mechanics meshed with the philosophical ideas of Krishnamurti. Bohm's approach to philosophy and physics receive expression in his 1980 book Wholeness and the Implicate Order, and in the book Science, Order and Creativity.
Från: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bohm
Krishnamurti.
Kan det vara någonting som är en förberedelse eller har samband med den här länken.
http://www.jkcentre.org/ickc2006/default.htm
http://www.jkcentre.org/ickc2006/default.htm
Re: Föredrag torsdagen den 29 september: Science & Spiri
PopJimmy skrev:Jag vet inte heller faktiskt, ingen aning. "Röntgenkristallografi" fick mig direkt att tänka på new age och kristaller och sånt, men jag tror verkligen inte alls att det är frågan om något sånt.vad ämnena "det fasta tillståndets fysik" och "röntgenkristallografi" är för något? Jag avser inte att provocera, utan har bara aldrig hört talas om dessa tidigare.
Röntgenkristallografi är en extremt kraftfull analysmetod inom kemi/fysik för strukturbestämning. Nackdelen är att provet måste vara en kristall vilket kan innebära en annan struktur än dess naturliga (exempelvis om det rör sig om ett protein).
Det går i (mycket enkel) princip ut på att man skickar röntgenstrålar mot kristallen och fångar upp reflekterade (spridda) strålar. Strålarna reflekteras i olika lager vilket resulterar i förskjutning och interferens. Denna mäts och strukturen (avstånden i kristallen) kan beräknas.
Förövrigt tyckte jag det här lät intressant och jag ska nog försöka gå dit. Så tack för tipset
Jag hittade killens hemsida, och en text som tar upp exact det han kommer att prata om...
Science and Spirituality : Two Aspects of a Single Reality
...If we look at their origins, we find that both quests have originated out of human inquisitiveness. We human beings want to inquire into our surroundings, into what is happening within and around us. We want to observe in order to find out. If we ask the question, "Why are we inquisitive ?", there is no answer. It is not always for a purpose. We are inquisitive by nature. The purpose is a by-product, it is not the aim of the inquiry. For instance, technology is the by-product of science, but it is not the reason for science. The scientific quest was there much before any technology developed. We were inquiring into why the sky is blue, why the sun rises and sets, why trees grow, why there are so many species around us why eclipses occur and all that, much before any technology came into being.
In the same way, questions like - Who am I ?, What is the purpose of life ?, Why is there so much conflict and violence within me ?, Is it possible to come upon some kind of order within my consciousness ?, What is death ?, Is there something beyond death ? - are all questions in the field of spirituality. Out of this quest the different organised religions have evolved as a by-product. There were great enquirers who came upon a certain truth in their consciousness, who came upon a certain order - we may call that order love, compassion, harmony, whatever. Out of that state, they tried to communicate the truth which they had seen, and they became religious leaders around whom the organised religions were built up. Thus institutionalised religions developed as by-products of the spiritual quest just as technology developed as a by-product of the scientific quest. ...
Från: http://www.pkrishna.org/Science-Spirituality.html
Här beskriver han även allmänt om Krishnamurti, och hur Krishnamurti adresserade de stora problemen med våran västerlädska civilisation:
Krishnamurti and the Direct Perception of Truth
Krishnamurti was one of the most original thinkers of our time who investigated fundamental questions about the purpose of life, the true meaning of love, religion, time, and death without seeking answers in any books or scriptures and without accepting any belief, organized religion or system of thought. Like the Buddha, he sought the answers to these questions through observation, inquiry and self-knowledge and arrived at a direct perception of truth which lies beyond intellectual concepts, theories and descriptions. He was not a scholar or an intellectual; he did not deal with theories and concepts, he spoke only from his own investigations and observations. What he has said may have been said earlier by others but he came upon the truth of it for himself. In an age dominated by science and the intellect, he has pointed out the fundamental limitations of thought and knowledge as a means of real change. In this article I propose to reflect on some of the essential aspects of his teaching and some of the great truths he has expounded.
1.The source of all human problems, big and small, lies in the psyche of the individual.
Over the million years or more that man has existed on this planet his knowledge of the external world has evolved greatly and increased his power and ability to cope with natural calamities. Inwardly, in his consciousness, man has not evolved very much. He is still very much like the primitive man - fearful and insecure, forming groups (religious and national ), fighting and preparing for war, seeking advantages for himself and hating others. He is now able to travel to the moon and communicate around the globe in a matter of minutes but he still finds it difficult to love his neighbour and live in peace. Modern man is as brutal, selfish, violent, greedy and possessive as the primitive man of a million years ago, though he may now be able to hide himself behind a lot of noble-sounding words and thoughts.
This lop-sided development of the human being has brought him close to self-annihilation. He stands now on the brink of nuclear war, just a hair's breadth away from total extinction. The power that his increased knowledge has given him has not been coupled with the right kind of intelligence and vision that are necessary. Why ? Why have we not evolved psychologically ? Is it because we have never directed our attention inwards, to understand our own mind, thoughts and feelings ? We are so satisfied, so dazzled by our achievements, our `progress' in the outer world, that we have completely neglected the inner world of our consciousness. Hatred in the primitive man could do only little damage; in modern man with all his power it is much more devastating and we are seeing the disastrous consequences of it every day all around us.
Från: http://www.pkrishna.org/K-DirectPerception.html
Båda texter är från http://www.pkrishna.org/
Science and Spirituality : Two Aspects of a Single Reality
...If we look at their origins, we find that both quests have originated out of human inquisitiveness. We human beings want to inquire into our surroundings, into what is happening within and around us. We want to observe in order to find out. If we ask the question, "Why are we inquisitive ?", there is no answer. It is not always for a purpose. We are inquisitive by nature. The purpose is a by-product, it is not the aim of the inquiry. For instance, technology is the by-product of science, but it is not the reason for science. The scientific quest was there much before any technology developed. We were inquiring into why the sky is blue, why the sun rises and sets, why trees grow, why there are so many species around us why eclipses occur and all that, much before any technology came into being.
In the same way, questions like - Who am I ?, What is the purpose of life ?, Why is there so much conflict and violence within me ?, Is it possible to come upon some kind of order within my consciousness ?, What is death ?, Is there something beyond death ? - are all questions in the field of spirituality. Out of this quest the different organised religions have evolved as a by-product. There were great enquirers who came upon a certain truth in their consciousness, who came upon a certain order - we may call that order love, compassion, harmony, whatever. Out of that state, they tried to communicate the truth which they had seen, and they became religious leaders around whom the organised religions were built up. Thus institutionalised religions developed as by-products of the spiritual quest just as technology developed as a by-product of the scientific quest. ...
Från: http://www.pkrishna.org/Science-Spirituality.html
Här beskriver han även allmänt om Krishnamurti, och hur Krishnamurti adresserade de stora problemen med våran västerlädska civilisation:
Krishnamurti and the Direct Perception of Truth
Krishnamurti was one of the most original thinkers of our time who investigated fundamental questions about the purpose of life, the true meaning of love, religion, time, and death without seeking answers in any books or scriptures and without accepting any belief, organized religion or system of thought. Like the Buddha, he sought the answers to these questions through observation, inquiry and self-knowledge and arrived at a direct perception of truth which lies beyond intellectual concepts, theories and descriptions. He was not a scholar or an intellectual; he did not deal with theories and concepts, he spoke only from his own investigations and observations. What he has said may have been said earlier by others but he came upon the truth of it for himself. In an age dominated by science and the intellect, he has pointed out the fundamental limitations of thought and knowledge as a means of real change. In this article I propose to reflect on some of the essential aspects of his teaching and some of the great truths he has expounded.
1.The source of all human problems, big and small, lies in the psyche of the individual.
Over the million years or more that man has existed on this planet his knowledge of the external world has evolved greatly and increased his power and ability to cope with natural calamities. Inwardly, in his consciousness, man has not evolved very much. He is still very much like the primitive man - fearful and insecure, forming groups (religious and national ), fighting and preparing for war, seeking advantages for himself and hating others. He is now able to travel to the moon and communicate around the globe in a matter of minutes but he still finds it difficult to love his neighbour and live in peace. Modern man is as brutal, selfish, violent, greedy and possessive as the primitive man of a million years ago, though he may now be able to hide himself behind a lot of noble-sounding words and thoughts.
This lop-sided development of the human being has brought him close to self-annihilation. He stands now on the brink of nuclear war, just a hair's breadth away from total extinction. The power that his increased knowledge has given him has not been coupled with the right kind of intelligence and vision that are necessary. Why ? Why have we not evolved psychologically ? Is it because we have never directed our attention inwards, to understand our own mind, thoughts and feelings ? We are so satisfied, so dazzled by our achievements, our `progress' in the outer world, that we have completely neglected the inner world of our consciousness. Hatred in the primitive man could do only little damage; in modern man with all his power it is much more devastating and we are seeing the disastrous consequences of it every day all around us.
Från: http://www.pkrishna.org/K-DirectPerception.html
Båda texter är från http://www.pkrishna.org/
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