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SigurdV
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Om det omedvetna.

Inläggav SigurdV » 19 aug 2013 09:19

Man tror ju att Freud "uppfann"det omedvetna...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Janet
Janet was one of the first people to allege a connection between events in the subject's past life and his or her present day trauma, and coined the words
‘dissociation
’ and
‘subconscious’.

His study of the 'magnetic passion' or 'rapport' between the patient and the hypnotist anticipated later accounts of
transference
.

Vem var Pierre Janet?
In 1898, Janet was appointed lecturer in psychology at the Sorbonne, and in 1902 he attained the chair of experimental and comparative psychology at the Collège de France, a position he held until 1936. He was a member of the Institut de France from 1913, and a central figure in French psychology in the first half of the 20th century.[3]

Freud var alltså en efterföljare.
Controversy over questions of priority between Janet and Freud emerged at the 1913 Congress of Medicine in London.[14] Prior to that date Freud had freely acknowledged his debt to Janet

Eller var han en plagiatör?
The charge of plagiarism stung Freud especially. In his autobiographical sketch of 1925 he denied firmly that he had plagiarized from Janet, and as late as 1937 he refused to meet him on the grounds that "when the libel was spread by French writers that I had listened to his lectures and stolen his ideas he could with a word have put an end to such talk" but didn't.

Vilka egna bidrag står Freud för?
A balanced judgement might be that
Janet's ideas, as published, did indeed form (part of) Freud's starting point,

but that he subsequently developed them substantively in his own fashion.

Varför står det knappt något om Pierre Janet i läroböckerna?
Finns det någon annan tidig pionjär som INTE byggde på Pierres ideer?


Carl Jung studied with Janet in Paris in 1902 and was much influenced by him, for example equating what he called a complex with Janet's idée fixe subconsciente.
Jung's view of the mind as "consisting of an indefinite, because unknown, number of complexes or fragmentary personalities" built upon what Janet in Psychological Automatism called 'simultaneous psychological existences'.
Jung wrote of the debt owed to "Janet for a deeper and more exact knowledge of hysterical symptoms", and talked of "the achievements of Janet, Flournoy, Freud and others" in exploring the unconscious.
Alfred Adler openly derived his inferiority complex from Janet's Sentiment d'incomplétude;and the two men cited each other's work on the issue in their writings.

Är det inte helt enkelt så att Pierre Janet uppfann Psykologin?
Tack ska du i så fall ha Pierre ;)

SigurdV
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Medvetande?

Inläggav SigurdV » 19 aug 2013 09:50

Visst finns medvetande, men vad är det för något?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_Science
Cognitive science is the interdisciplinary scientific study of the mind and its processes. It examines what cognition is, what it does and how it works. It includes research on intelligence and behavior, especially focusing on how information is represented, processed, and transformed (in faculties such as perception, language, memory, reasoning, and emotion) within nervous systems (human or other animal) and machines (e.g. computers). Cognitive science consists of multiple research disciplines, including psychology, artificial intelligence, philosophy, neuroscience, linguistics, and anthropology.

Empirical evidence suggests that unconscious phenomena include repressed feelings, automatic skills, subliminal perceptions, thoughts, habits, and automatic reactions,and possibly also complexes, hidden phobias and desires.

In psychoanalytic theory, unconscious processes are understood to be expressed in dreams in a symbolical form, as well as in slips of the tongue and jokes. Thus the unconscious mind can be seen as the source of dreams and automatic thoughts (those that appear without any apparent cause), the repository of forgotten memories (that may still be accessible to consciousness at some later time), and the locus of implicit knowledge (the things that we have learned so well that we do them without thinking).

It has been argued that consciousness is influenced by other parts of the mind. These include unconsciousness as a personal habit, being unaware, and intuition. Terms related to semi-consciousness include: awakening, implicit memory, subliminal messages, trances, hypnagogia, and hypnosis. While sleep, sleep walking, dreaming, delirium, and comas may signal the presence of unconscious processes, these processes are not the unconscious mind itself, but rather symptoms.
Some critics have doubted the existence of the unconscious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness
Consciousness is the quality or state of being aware of an external object or something within oneself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perception
Perception (from the Latin perceptio, percipio) is the organization, identification, and interpretation of sensory information in order to represent and understand the environment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretation

SigurdV
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Om drömmar.

Inläggav SigurdV » 19 aug 2013 10:23

Vilja?
In terms of the unconscious, the purpose of dreams, as stated by Freud, is to look in to unconscious urges and unmet needs and seek to fulfill these wishes subconsciously
Simulering?
Theorist Rosalind Cartwright proposed that dreams provide people with the opportunity to act out and work through everyday problems and emotional issues in a non real setting with no consequences.
"Sideffekt"
Allan Hobson and colleagues came up with the activation-synthesis hypothesis which proposes that dreams are simply the side effects of the neural activity in the brain that produces beta brain waves during REM sleep ...
However, the hypothesis does not state that dreams are meaningless, it just downplays the role that emotional factors play in determining dreams.

Varför vänta på att jag blir färdig med den här föreläsningen?

ON PHILOSOPHY: As long as Im not payed cash in advance I do it for fun.
ON KNOWLEDGE: I begin by defending the Correspondence Theory of Truth.
Since without truth no explaining is possible.

ON DREAMS: This is what comes closest to my private view: "Finnish psychologist Antti Revonsuo posits that dreams have evolved for "threat simulation" exclusively. According to the Threat Simulation Theory he proposes, during much of human evolution physical and interpersonal threats were serious, giving reproductive advantage to those who survived them. Therefore dreaming evolved to replicate these threats and continually practice dealing with them.

I think he is on the right spot when he looks for evolutionary advantages of dreaming... Theres the idea of "homeostasis". The idea of regulating body organs to uphold some equilibrium state. A cybernetic picture: Beginning with the regulation of the minutest details within cells proceeding in regulating layers on regulating layers up to self awareness. An enourmously complicated system of feedback circuits is somehow on some level eguivalent to our mind. Feedback IS organisation of information (I think) and information is knowledge ...or rather that what can be known. Life itself began as autocatalysis ...?... I see feedback and information as consciousness being there right from the beginning...slowly evolving into SELF Consciousness...!...

I have no idea of any details of this Cybernetic Model of Mind so back to dreams: The Dream is a TEST situation, a tool for the system to calibrate its signals to the organ (us surprised beings) that is an interface between the inside and the outside of the body, is the bodily organ responsible for the immediate responses on outside threats. We (as not too humble body parts) are free to decide what to do in a percieved situation but the homeostasis has a signal system moderating our decisions: OUR FEELINGS !!! Our actual decision heavily depends on what we feel in the given situation. Not ONLY on "our" cognition and interpretation of the situation.Thats why we all try to maximise happiness instead of maximising sorrow. We are "addicted" to feelings and Using Dreams is how the strength of doses of our dope is calculated by our inside drug dealer.

Kanske att vi för vår egen skull ska strunta i hur vi mår !?

See also

Portal icon Mind and Brain portal
Adaptive unconscious
Consciousness
Introspection illusion
Mind's eye
Neuroscience of free will
Preconscious
Transpersonal psychology
Unconscious cognition
Unconscious communication
Minimally conscious state
Transdisciplinary topics
Cell signaling
Molecular Cellular Cognition
Philosophy of mind
Portal:thinking
List of thought processes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanistic_psychology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Mind_and_Brain

SigurdV
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Om det omedvetna.

Inläggav SigurdV » 19 aug 2013 10:52

Cell signalling (Cell signaling in American English) is part of a complex system of communication that governs basic cellular activities and coordinates cell actions.
The ability of cells to perceive
and correctly respond to their microenvironment is the basis of development, tissue repair, and immunity as well as normal tissue homeostasis

Här tar jag några steg mot livets uppkomst...
Vad jag är ute efter är att "medvetande" kan vara något
som finns med från livets början...
(Och som möjligen är dolt i "ordning".)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocatalysis
se speciellt: Involvement in life processes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybernetics
Cybernetics in biology is the study of cybernetic systems present in biological organisms, primarily focusing on how animals adapt to their environment, and how information in the form of genes is passed from generation to generation.[18] There is also a secondary focus on combining artificial systems with biological systems.[citation needed]
Bioengineering
Biocybernetics
Bionics
Homeostasis
Medical cybernetics
Synthetic Biology
Systems Biology
Autopoiesis
Neuroscience

SigurdV
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The Cybernetic Model of Mind.

Inläggav SigurdV » 19 aug 2013 11:24

Kan spåras tillbaka till Norbert Wiener.
Jag är inget vidare på att googla fram fakta (och vägrar lämna ut allt för privat forskning)
så varför inte checka upp Ole Vedfelt vid Institut for Integreret Psykoterapi i Köpenhamn?

Jag citerar ur "Omedveten intelligens":

" Min egen övergripande teoretiska modell är en "cybernetisk psykologi" vars grundtanke är att mer komplexa system potentiellt reglerar mindre komplexa system."
"Ur cybernetiskt perspektiv består psyket av många nivåer och tillstånd, vissa rymmer mer information än andra och blir därför styrande i förhållande till dessa. vårt vanliga normalmedvetande representerar här en lägre styrnivå och är i första hand upptaget av att ombesörja individens omedelbara anpassning till omgivningen."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosemiotics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiotics


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