The path to heaven?

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The path to heaven?

Inläggav naturaleeduco » 29 jul 2019 12:14

Is it not illogical to search for the path to eternal bliss when you do not know what it is? And how can you find something which you do not know what it is? How can you believe a book or person will give you knowledge of the path to eternal bliss if you do not already know what it is? First you already need to know the path to eternal bliss and then you can go the path to eternal bliss.
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Re: The path to heaven?

Inläggav Anders » 29 jul 2019 22:43

naturaleeduco skrev:Is it not illogical to search for the path to eternal bliss when you do not know what it is? And how can you find something which you do not know what it is? How can you believe a book or person will give you knowledge of the path to eternal bliss if you do not already know what it is? First you already need to know the path to eternal bliss and then you can go the path to eternal bliss.

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Re: The path to heaven?

Inläggav Marksa » 31 jul 2019 18:09

naturaleeduco skrev:Is it not illogical to search for the path to eternal bliss when you do not know what it is? And how can you find something which you do not know what it is? How can you believe a book or person will give you knowledge of the path to eternal bliss if you do not already know what it is? First you already need to know the path to eternal bliss and then you can go the path to eternal bliss.


Your path to eternal bliss is already embedded in your being, to search for for yourself is never illogical. To have somebody to guide you on this journey will help you to avoid the pitfalls, however you can enter the journey on your own.
To be able to see your path before you enter your journey seems like sheeting life.
Varje dag är en resa.

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Re: The path to heaven?

Inläggav naturaleeduco » 31 jul 2019 20:17

Anders skrev:
naturaleeduco skrev:Is it not illogical to search for the path to eternal bliss when you do not know what it is? And how can you find something which you do not know what it is? How can you believe a book or person will give you knowledge of the path to eternal bliss if you do not already know what it is? First you already need to know the path to eternal bliss and then you can go the path to eternal bliss.

Tror tanken är attman skall känna igen den när man ser den


Ja, så borde det vara.
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Re: The path to heaven?

Inläggav naturaleeduco » 31 jul 2019 20:23

Marksa skrev:
naturaleeduco skrev:Is it not illogical to search for the path to eternal bliss when you do not know what it is? And how can you find something which you do not know what it is? How can you believe a book or person will give you knowledge of the path to eternal bliss if you do not already know what it is? First you already need to know the path to eternal bliss and then you can go the path to eternal bliss.


Your path to eternal bliss is already embedded in your being, to search for for yourself is never illogical. To have somebody to guide you on this journey will help you to avoid the pitfalls, however you can enter the journey on your own.
To be able to see your path before you enter your journey seems like sheeting life.


A boy searches for his Mom and is in tears...his Mom should have come home 5 hours before..he sees a man who is coming towards him...he does not know the man but the man tells him to help him as to find his Mom...the boy asks the man if he knows his Mom...and the man says yes...the boy is really not sure if the man knows his Mom but since all tries to figure out where his Mom has failed thru using his reason he accepts the mans help but before that he tries the man with several questions as to be sure that the man really knows his Mom but still he is not fully sure...the boy desperate as to what to do asks the man how long it will take to find his mom...the man says it will take 3 hours...the boy is not sure really of the intentions of the man and tries to find out if he is a reliable man who will not hurt him...after much reasoning and in different ways trying the man the boy decides to go with the man...they travel with bus to a different city and later go to a shopping mall where the boy had never been before and find his Mom there...the boy thanks the man and the Mom hugs her boy and says she had to learn the boy to really on his reason more and sent the man to him so he later could find her but that he should have asked where she was and when she would come back instead of traveling to see her...
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Re: The path to heaven?

Inläggav naturaleeduco » 31 jul 2019 20:27

Anders skrev:
naturaleeduco skrev:Is it not illogical to search for the path to eternal bliss when you do not know what it is? And how can you find something which you do not know what it is? How can you believe a book or person will give you knowledge of the path to eternal bliss if you do not already know what it is? First you already need to know the path to eternal bliss and then you can go the path to eternal bliss.

Tror tanken är attman skall känna igen den när man ser den


The boy knows his dream and starts to visualize the next step...he is on his way...a Guru stops him and wants to tell him the meaning of life...the boy bows his head and says to himself...everything that exists has meaning and purpose and my purpose is to see my dream come thru...the boy answers the Guru to go and find a place to sit and eat some bananas...the Guru gets mad and enters a lucid dream...
:)

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Re: The path to heaven?

Inläggav naturaleeduco » 31 jul 2019 21:24

There is a difference in using your intellect to combine KNOW factors in order to find out the sum of them and a DIFFERENCE in searching for something which you already know what it is...when you know what you are searching for you also can visualize it...
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Re: The path to heaven?

Inläggav Anne » 01 aug 2019 15:45

Citerar ni något, eller varför skriver ni på engelska? (Hej Marksa :) Det var länge sedan. // skogis)

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Re: The path to heaven?

Inläggav Marksa » 01 aug 2019 17:04

lynx skrev:Citerar ni något, eller varför skriver ni på engelska? (Hej Marksa :) Det var länge sedan. // skogis)


Hej lynx, Ja det var ett tag sedan. Men nu är jag här ett tag, tror jag.
Varje dag är en resa.

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Re: The path to heaven?

Inläggav Anne » 01 aug 2019 17:08

Jag tror på kärleken som väg och du är ju bågskytt, jmf amor/eros :)

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Re: The path to heaven?

Inläggav Marksa » 01 aug 2019 17:16

naturaleeduco skrev:A boy searches for his Mom and is in tears...his Mom should have come home 5 hours before..he sees a man who is coming towards him...he does not know the man but the man tells him to help him as to find his Mom...the boy asks the man if he knows his Mom...and the man says yes...the boy is really not sure if the man knows his Mom but since all tries to figure out where his Mom has failed thru using his reason he accepts the mans help but before that he tries the man with several questions as to be sure that the man really knows his Mom but still he is not fully sure...the boy desperate as to what to do asks the man how long it will take to find his mom...the man says it will take 3 hours...the boy is not sure really of the intentions of the man and tries to find out if he is a reliable man who will not hurt him...after much reasoning and in different ways trying the man the boy decides to go with the man...they travel with bus to a different city and later go to a shopping mall where the boy had never been before and find his Mom there...the boy thanks the man and the Mom hugs her boy and says she had to learn the boy to really on his reason more and sent the man to him so he later could find her but that he should have asked where she was and when she would come back instead of traveling to see her...


What a ridiculously terrifying story.

Jag förmodar att detta bör ses som analogi för Hur man skall finns tillbaka till det gudomliga. Att finna lycksaligheten, och visst Jesu ställföreträdare kan vara övertygande. Men att riskera att lägga sitt liv i händerna på en eventuell charlatan, ja det skall mycket till för att det skall hända. Men förstår man att det inte behövs en mellanhand är mycket vunnet. Och då kan man lyssna på människorna med erfarenhet och checka av mot sitt eget hjärta.
Varje dag är en resa.

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Re: The path to heaven?

Inläggav Marksa » 03 aug 2019 18:02

Skulle bara lyfta ovanstående svar då det är kraftigt redigerat.
Ha en skön kväll.
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Re: The path to heaven?

Inläggav naturaleeduco » 04 aug 2019 02:09

Marksa skrev:
naturaleeduco skrev:A boy searches for his Mom and is in tears...his Mom should have come home 5 hours before..he sees a man who is coming towards him...he does not know the man but the man tells him to help him as to find his Mom...the boy asks the man if he knows his Mom...and the man says yes...the boy is really not sure if the man knows his Mom but since all tries to figure out where his Mom has failed thru using his reason he accepts the mans help but before that he tries the man with several questions as to be sure that the man really knows his Mom but still he is not fully sure...the boy desperate as to what to do asks the man how long it will take to find his mom...the man says it will take 3 hours...the boy is not sure really of the intentions of the man and tries to find out if he is a reliable man who will not hurt him...after much reasoning and in different ways trying the man the boy decides to go with the man...they travel with bus to a different city and later go to a shopping mall where the boy had never been before and find his Mom there...the boy thanks the man and the Mom hugs her boy and says she had to learn the boy to really on his reason more and sent the man to him so he later could find her but that he should have asked where she was and when she would come back instead of traveling to see her...


What a ridiculously terrifying story.

Jag förmodar att detta bör ses som analogi för Hur man skall finns tillbaka till det gudomliga. Att finna lycksaligheten, och visst Jesu ställföreträdare kan vara övertygande. Men att riskera att lägga sitt liv i händerna på en eventuell charlatan, ja det skall mycket till för att det skall hända. Men förstår man att det inte behövs en mellanhand är mycket vunnet. Och då kan man lyssna på människorna med erfarenhet och checka av mot sitt eget hjärta.


Ja, man skall vara mycket kritisk mot alla slags "Gurus"...att tänka ordentligt innan man handlar är botemedlet och gärna djupare och långsiktigare än det verkar behövas
:)

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Re: The path to heaven?

Inläggav Sheki » 30 sep 2021 09:53

Veta att det finns en himmel eller anta det rimligt att det finns en och sedan göra handlingar som leder en dit är nog sunt. Detta med himmel missbrukar vissa och gör terrorister av människan. Vem vet...inget är värt att bete sig så.


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